Interview with His Majesty King Abdullah II

Lally Weymouth
22 June 2008

In Need of ‘Wins on the Ground' - Jordan's King Abdullah warns that the clock is running out on the idea of a two-state solution

King Abdullah of Jordan sat down at Petra with Newsweek’s Lally Weymouth last week and reflected on the state of affairs in his part of the world. He emphasised the need for a settlement of the Palestinian issue and claimed that Iran was no longer such a big problem for his country. Indeed, he sounded a bit like Barack Obama in arguing for the need for dialogue with Iran— a country he has in the past described as a major threat. Excerpts:

Newsweek: Is Annapolis dead?

King Abdullah: I'm actually very concerned … I think the peace process has lost credibility in people's minds in this area ... We're all very pessimistic at this stage.

Newsweek: Do you view Iran as the No. 1 threat in this region?

King Abdullah: I think the lack of peace is the major threat. I don't see the ability of creating a two-state solution beyond 2008, 2009. I think this is really the last chance ... I am very concerned that the clock is ticking and that that door is closing on all of us.

Newsweek: But aren't you concerned about Iran?

King Abdullah: Iran poses issues to certain countries, although I have noticed over the past month or so that the dynamics have changed quite dramatically. For the first time, I think Iran is less of a threat. But if the peace process doesn't move forward, then I think that extremism will continue to advance.

When it comes to Iran, I am quite supportive of what I see in Europe and the West—people who want to engage.

Newsweek: There are certain candidates in the U.S. election who've been calling for dialogue with Iran.

King Abdullah: We're a country and a region that supports dialogue as opposed to conflict. If there is conflict with Iran, I'm not too sure where this is going to lead us. I think you're playing with Pandora's box … I think we've had enough crises in this part of the world.

Newsweek: Do you feel that you've been too loyal and staked too much on President Bush, on the Americans?

King Abdullah: I think that since day one, the president and I have been very, very honest and very candid on regional issues and I've always expressed my views on the different countries that surround us and how we need to approach them. Advice is worth what you pay for it at the end of the day.

Newsweek: How do you see things in Iraq today?

King Abdullah: I am actually optimistic for the first time on Iraq. I think that Iraqi society is moving in the right direction. It's the first time that I have felt that Iraqis have, as much as they can, bound themselves together into a unity. They have worked together—Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis— for the betterment of Iraq in the last couple of months. Here's an opportunity for Arab countries to reach out, which we haven't done in the past, and extend a hand of friendship to the Iraqis and give them the support that they need to get to the next step. If we don't, I think that it will be a loss for the Iraqis and for the Arab moderates.

Newsweek: Inside Jordan, things are difficult now due to the price of food and other commodities.

King Abdullah: I think it is [the same] all over the world. We will have a major problem with rising prices, food concerns for the next couple of years. Oil prices have just been such a shock. Summer has been easier but when you get to the winter, the issue of heating is going to be a major problem. We are pursuing alternative forms of energy. We're looking at nuclear energy.

Newsweek: I saw your statement to Haaretz saying, "Everybody's going for nuclear programs" in the Middle East.

King Abdullah: I had said that before in the United States, [but] when I said it to Haaretz, it was breaking news—"Jordan is going nuclear!"

Newsweek: Reportedly, Saudi Arabia and Turkey are building nuclear reactors.

King Abdullah: They don't have the [energy] crunch that we do, so for us the pace will be much quicker. We'll probably be the first in our part of the world to actually go through the private sector to get nuclear energy.

Newsweek: I remember a couple of years ago you warned against the danger posed by Iran to moderate Arab regimes. Aren't Iran and Syria the big winners today in this region?

King Abdullah: If we look at what happened in Lebanon two months ago [when Hizbullah routed government forces in street fighting to win major political concessions], I think the perception here is that that round was won by Iran and her proxies. We just have to be careful as to what happens on round two. Again, this is why I am so concerned about the peace process.

Newsweek: Why didn't anyone help the government of Lebanon? The United States and France worked so closely on Lebanon.

King Abdullah: I'm just as shocked and surprised as you. The sad part is we have to be very careful. The lack of a peace process affects America's credibility in this part of the world. If we don't really show some wins on the ground, American influence and prestige will be dramatically diminished.

Newsweek: It's hard to see how you do move forward with Hamas firing rockets at Israel every day.

King Abdullah: What I said in the US last time I was there is [that] Hamas always comes up as an issue. But we are only looking at half the equation. Everyone is quick to talk about how to isolate Hamas but there is not enough discussion as to how to support Fatah. How do we strengthen the other side?

Newsweek: Are you willing to live with a nuclear Iran?

King Abdullah: I think that you need to engage with the Iranians. A military strike in Iran today will only elicit a reaction from Iran and Iranian proxies and I don't think that we can live with any more conflicts in this part of the world.